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    April 16th, 2012 @ 11:44 am by Kevin

    Joshua Tongol definitely wants you to consider that possibility.



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  1. Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    Note this: Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    The death of Christ DID something. It was not merely a symbol.

    1th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

    How did Jesus deliver us from the wrath to come? BTW, Jesus Himself is coming in wrath.

    2th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    Bottom Line: You are employing human reason. God IS violent and vengeful. You have to come to grips with that.

  2. I liked the ‘I could be wrong’ part at the end. Consider though…there is no biblical warrant for calling God ‘nice’.

    • I think most people are in agreement that Jesus was pretty nice.

      • Jesus is nice? Hmm. when He comes and drenches the earth in the blood of His enemies and feeds their corpses to the birds I wonder if that view might change. Nobody fears a nice guy. Any sane person fears Christ.

        • David: If you’re going to take the blood in Revelation 14 “rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia” literally, then you’ll have to take everything else in that passage literally as well, which means Jesus is literally a lamb, that the angels are literally harvesting grapes, and that the blood came from the grapes. I know, crazy, right? Which is a good sign that perhaps you shouldn’t take this literally.

          • I was looking at a list of Jesus’ parables today and highlighted the ones that deal with rejection/judgment/separation. About 40% Good fish/bad fish, sheep/goats, wheat/tares, wheat/chaff, wise virgins/foolish virgins, invited wedding guests/uninvited ones, Rich man/Lazarus, faithful servants/lazy servants, etc. etc. Hmm. Is there a pattern here? Could the all-knowing Joshua Tongol be wrong (he even says he might be)? Is Jesus such a dunce that he can’t make a point. It’s either ‘Well done’ or ‘Depart from Me’. I fail to see what’s complicated about this.

          • What is the context of these teachings, David? Who is Jesus’ primary audience? What is the basis of separation in these parables? Is it right belief? Right actions? How does the standard of separation square with your soteriology?

        • The non-Christians I know typically have great repecst for Jesus of Nazareth- they just don’t accept him as the Messiah. As a Christian, I do believe they’re missing the most important part of His teachings, but the best way I know to share the Gospel is by trying my hardest to live by the example He set. It’s my responsibility to let God’s love for the world embodied in Christ’s great sacrifice reflect through my words and actions.

    • God is more than “nice”. “God is Eternal Love and all who dwell in His Divine Love dwells in God and God dwells in them”. 1 John 5:16 God is not a God of eternal wrath, eternal vengence, eternal mercilessness,etc. He is the Savior of all mankind–especially of those who believe. 1 Timothy 4:10 He WILL (not wishes or desires, as some translations have it) have all mankind to be saved and come to the full knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:4. The Bible does make it clear, though, that Christ bore our sins on the cross. He offered His body up for us on the cross as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

  3. Bro, I love your humility – passion balance.

  4. Hey, wait. this video was good. I like most Greg Boyd stuff. and I probably agree in many things with you. But are you an universalist????????

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