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    June 29th, 2013 @ 11:05 am by Kevin

    From a viewer who watched it last week:

    My husband has been taking baby-steps out of a hard-line religious system and into grace for the entire 12 years of our marriage. Actually, his departure started with a complete rejection of all Christianity for seven years prior to our meeting. I think he needed that time to clean his palate . It has been a long haul, and the struggles definitely grew my patience (thank you Father). As someone who was overwhelmed by grace, it was hard for me to understand his slow progress. I see now that he had to drop one stronghold at a time.

    Last week we watched Hellbound? together. Two days later, he watched it again. He processes things silently, so I had no idea what was going on in that sweet head of his. The next day, he went to Virginia to visit his mother. While he was there, he initiated contact with both of his brothers. Over the years, they had chosen destructive lifestyles (drugs, stealing, prison time, women). My husband had been estranged from them both for 25 years. He hadn’t even seen them once in that time. Both of his brothers were guarded and skeptical when Dave asked to see them. Such was the distrust between these brothers that one even packed heat to his reunion. Dave started each conversation by telling them he just wanted them to know he loved them. Walls fell. Conversations happened. Tears flowed, and an elderly mother rejoiced at the long-awaited reconciliation of her three boys. When his mother asked Dave why he reached out now, he said, “Because I see them with new eyes.” She pressed for a further explanation and he replied, “I see them now as if they are in heaven with me.” As he excitedly relayed his experiences with me he said, “San, I see every human being differently now! We really are all one.”

    I am overwhelmed by love and gratitude to my Father for revealing this truth to my sweet, long-suffering spouse. He is finally free. I highly recommend this movie. It is available on Amazon for $3.99 for a week’s rental. You wont be able to watch it just once. Be blessed friends!

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  1. Well, look at you! Certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes! I guess calling God’s word a lie has its up side. I assure you, you and the other ‘graceheads’ like the abominable Joshua Tongol are certified ROTTEN with God.

    Mt 13:41-43 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
    Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    Gee, I wonder what Jesus meant by that? That’s how you handle obvious wrath of God references, isn’t it?

    I asked another ‘gracehead’ the other day but he wouldn’t answer so maybe you will: The Flood…did it happen? and if so, why?

    • Glad to have you back, David. The Flood narrative in the Bible is clearly a response to similar near eastern myths. If you’re asking if I believe in a global deluge, the answer is a clear-cut no. When that was supposed to have been happening, there was a thriving civilization in Egypt. How do you explain that?

      • Glad to be back. Always a pleasure to converse with a man who, at least, doesn’t sqelch opposition (admittedly not always the most civil either) but faces it directly. Unlike Joshua tongol who hypocriticaly says ‘challenge me’ then blocks anyone who tries. Do you know that clown wife, by the way?
        So, about the flood. Who exactly says there was a thriving civilization in Egypt at the time? Someone who knows more than the Son of God, apparently. So both OT and NT writers insist a global deluge took place but somehow got it wrong? Jesus, Peter and the writer of Hebrews were mistaken. Oh, those ignorant camel-jockeys! If only they were were as erudite as we beard-scratching intellectuals sipping lattes at Starbucks and pontificating from our Ipads are. Still haven’t seen your flick. Waiting for Redbox to get it (though I hate the whole idea of being able to see a movie for a dollar and a half)

        Why exactly would the BIble ‘respond’ to near-Eastern myths. ISn’t it more likely they responded to the real event?

        How exactly does the ‘grace community’ decide what parts of the Bible to believe? The parts that make God look nice are OK, the others are wrong?

        Here’s another one: What happened at the Passover? Or better still: Did God ever kill anybody? I say He killed the whole world (men, women, children, bunny rabbits) and He’s going to do it again. I assume you don’t agree?

        Ahh, that feels better. It’s strange but talking to you seems to mitigate the burning, acidic gall I experience when I think about what unspeakable heresies you and those like you are spreading on a large scale. It’s therapeutic somehow. I do so wish you believed God that it may be accounted to you as righteousness. If God is such a lame-o that He can’t even preserve His word so we know who He is (which the Bible says we can do), well…then He’s pretty lame, huh?

  2. New question for ya. How is it that you and Joshua Tongol have this special gnostic ability to know when the Bible authors ‘got it right’ and when they ‘got it wrong’? If I were to say (I don’t, but just for example) that the wrath, jealousy and vengeance parts were right but the mercy, forgiveness and grace stuff was wrong, how could you argue with me since it’s possible for the Bible to be only partly correct?

    • David: It’s not a gnostic ability. We merely read the Bible through the lens of Christ, who taught us that the two greatest commandments are to love the Lord our God with all our heart and soul and mind and to love our neighbor as ourselves. He also taught us that to be perfect like God, we must love our enemies. So we merely apply that lens to the Bible and see how the text fits. Those parts which seem to contradict the law of love become suspect and likely express human desires rather than God’s desires. Of course, it’s far more complicated than that. But the point is, we aren’t claiming any special or secret knowledge, which is the basis of gnosticism. Rather, we are merely applying what has been open and accessible to people everywhere since God first revealed God’s self to humankind.

    • BTW: We all apply an interpretive lens or principle to the Bible, David. Even you! So this isn’t really a debate about who respects the Bible and who doesn’t. It’s a debate about how best to read the Bible.

      • The ‘Lens of Christ’ notion is an interesting one.
        Na 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
        2th 1:7-9 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
        I’d love to know how those come out when seen through this lens.
        It seems clear enough that God WILL indeed relent and forgive those who repent and will reject and condemn those who don’t. This is why he urges men to turn. This potent verse really says it all.
        Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
        It’s plain (with or without the lens of Christ) that this means God will NOT pardon those who do not turn to Him.
        Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
        I do think it is about who respects the Bible though. Since you believe it contains myths, I can hardly see how you respect it. What makes it any better than Homer then?

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